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Gacy taunts police about more victims in lost audio tapes

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CHICAGO (FOX 32 News) -

Gacy killed 33 young men in the 1970's, burying most of the victims in the crawlspace of his home, but Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart is planning to look for more bodies at another location later this year.

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So, what does Gacy have to say about the effort to locate more of his victims? He says the sheriff is wasting his time.

Gacy is heard on tape 19 years ago ridiculing the possibility that he might have buried bodies in other parts of Chicago--beyond the 33 young men, for which he was put to death. The recordings were made by Andy Matesi, a northwest side collector who paid Gacy for several pieces of Gacy's prison artwork and also recorded his conversations with the serial killer.

"I talked to him for a couple of years there," says Matesi. "‘92, ‘93, and then of course, ‘94, they put him to death."

Portions of these conversations have new significance now that Sheriff Tom Dart has renewed the search for Gacy victims in Chicago and other states.

"There was this notion that he only killed locally, and that doesn't ring true with common sense," says Dart. "It seems preposterous."

Dart believes that matching Gacy's DNA with DNA samples from unsolved cold case murders could help locate more Gacy victims. He has also obtained a search warrant to dig here in the 6100 block of West Miami, on Chicago's northwest side--the backyard of an apartment building where Gacy did some maintenance work.

"Well, I built over 40 drug stores in Chicago alone. All over the city," Gacy told Matesi about the possibility of finding bodies elsewhere. "But I'll give you ten grand if you can find any bodies in any of them where I had something to do with them. But then I would give you ten grand for the Summerdale house, because I never thought there was a body there."

"So there's no bodies in pharmacies, there's no bodies in his house, the guy apparently is innocent? What does it tell you? It tells you what we already know. He was a liar. He was a liar of epic proportions," Dart says.

Matesi, who is now selling his Gacy collection, believes there aren't any other victims still to be found--including at that site on the northwest side.

"I know there's nothing there," Matesi says. "There ain't gonna be nothing there. They are just wasting their time."

Sheriff Dart says it will be several months before they start taking a closer look at the location at Miami and Elston as the grounds are still frozen. When they do, they'll start by taking soil samples from a few feet down and then cadaver dogs will be used to see if the samples contain evidence of human remains.

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